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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Robin:
So you don't like being called B.F., but you indule in the practise yourself, methinks the kettel is calling the pot.......something that resembles itself.
Pardon me? I refuse to address this comment
due to it's childish nature, I am calling you chachi because you called me bf,and it wasnt very creative. Chachi on the other hand...now thats funny http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
As for Bat Man, I call him B.M. CONSTANTLY, he's never objected, so stop pretending that you can speak for people that YOU are NOT, Right BUCKMINSTER FULLER, the person you ARE NOT!
Actualy there is an isue of batman where he openly objects to being referd to as BM (i am assuming this is because bm ALSO STANDS FOR Bowel Movment) At any rate none of that is reality, and if you think you talk to bat man i have one less reason to answer your posts.
As for your arguement, the greying of the reality that you have free will, just not the power to enforce all of your choices, leaves it well open to the dicovery of exactly what is, and is not, within the scope of your free will. All I did was to state the parameters of that, you, seem to want to obfuscate the reality with verbosity bordering upon sillyness as to attempt to make yourself look smart, or intelligent, or something more then what you really are.
I know what I am , and I have made no assertions here in regaurds to my perceptions of my part to rate my personal progress in human development.I make no attempt to appear one way or the other but I have been on enough buliten boards at this point to know how I am most often responded to by those easly moved to anger, you are not special.More over I have obfuscated nothing, quite the contrary I have made clear and appearant the tired old false dichotomy you carry around and present as if it were a prize.
That you call it 'stagnant polarization' tells me you know little of the actual structure of the universe,
Your wrong, and you will keep being wrong it wont change.who are you that you can infer anything about my person you can know nothing about me that fact that you think you can is evidence you are a foolish assumption making child, or a verry slow under developed adult, I would not be surprised to discover you posess some borederline personality disorder.Again on the universality issue, I know things I am not going to shair with you so NAH! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
nevermind that you keep mentioning 'Quantum mechanics' (remember now, YOU did not invent that either!)
I didnt say I invented quantum events, chachi... you are listening to the voices again?
but I've seen none of it refered to in your writing, no fermions, mesons, baryons, virtual particle explainations, no referancing to anything other then you are bright enough to pull it down off of the net and parrot it.
Yes yes your so psychic, oh me oh my...Look chachi, I made referance to quantum events
not the whole of quantum mechanics ok ? if you were familiar with what I am discussing you would know that very little is understood about quantum events , they are where physical science fly's south
for the winter of logic.Furthermore I never claimed I was a physicist, and I wont be claiming that because I am not, I never set my self up in the fassion you claim you are projecting your fears of looking like a bufoon onto me, when you should be focusing on further attempting to obscure your own bufoonhood from the rest of the board.
Tell me, can you take any of it farther then has already been done by people smarter then you???!
Oh ...I blame the public school system for this sort of thing...and yes I have answers which I have seen no where else, and yes I know what the act of creation and ingeniuty
composition all entail, but I doubt you do, do you knwo how to do anything but argue chachi? And yes I know things you do not, in fact I know a few things no one else knows but they are not for you, tell me why should I tell you anything interesting when I will have to fight you to have you listen, when you have so easly lept to anger instead of peace? Why indeed whould I wish anything advantagous on you?if some one else wants to know what I have to say as far as my personal knowledge goes they can let me know and I will email it to them, but I have just realised I can not share my thoughts with an entire board for if there is any scrap of truth or insight to them you and your kind deserve none of it. I would have those who lack wisdom and any insight starve intellectualy and make those who posess the maturity to wield knowledge in a non destructive manner inherant the civilised world.
What ever Chachi,
your words are impotent like you.
Find out the truth about yourself first, then talk to me.
Tan Q, for dee time http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/tongue.gif
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[This message has been edited by Buckminster Fuller (edited October 16, 2001).]
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I called you 'B.F.' only because I am a lazy typist.
I had wondered when you would resort to the 'nyah, nyah,na,nyah,nyah' and as I see, it didn't take long
The referance to Batman is called Humor, but perhaps that is really just beyond you, for I am not in the least bit angry. (but I am fairly certain that that is what you want to believe, makes you feel better!)
How did you make the 'dichotomy' clear?
I see nothing clarifing in what you say, actually, the example you use of "One man sitting at a table.......the second man says I see" is clearly a reflection of someone like you (I guess) as it clearly is a lie when the second man states that he disagrees, then proceeds to state the exact same thing. Clearly he is self deceived when he states that he disagrees, because he ends up stating the exact same thing the first man stated. Then along comes you attempting to look like your smart or something, and you ask the redundant question of "Which one is right?", how self deceived is that!
Again I ask you, were do you see anger in my words?????? cause I can assure you, I live in my body, am sensate of what I feel, and I felt NO anger at anything that you have said.
By God's Grace, I do know the truth about myself, that is why I can recognize the self deception you are practising, fooling yourself, and therefore attempting to fool me too. You know things, but you won't share with the rest of us, afraid?, afraid to find out that maybe that isn't really the truth??
As for Quantum events, most of the activity that takes place at the quantum level is so brief in time that most of the scientists that recognise any realistict sense of time know that you could remove most quantum events from perception and the physical reality would persist, as most quantum event level occurances are of the nature as to simply be events that aid and abet the persistance of the higher level atomic occurances by balancing out the background energy levels......from perturbation theory.
Your need to address me as 'Chachi' simply demonstrates that you cannot handle reality, you must, in your own mind, re-title me, re-catagorise me, as the presentation of reality that I am frightens the daylights out of sarcastic, cynical persons like you, as sarcasm and cynicism are the refuge's of all psuedo intellectuals.
Tan Q, for de time http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif Have a nice life, I expect no further responces from you as you clearly have nothing to contribute other then your own bile
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Ignorance may be bliss, maybe that's why I'm such a happy guy!
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so i take it the buckminster and mr. robin are familiar with each other. has this been an on-going thing, or just recently present in this forum?
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So you don't like being called B.F., but you indule in the practise yourself, methinks the kettel is calling the pot.......something that resembles itself.
As for Bat Man, I call him B.M. CONSTANTLY, he's never objected, so stop pretending that you can speak for people that YOU are NOT, Right BUCKMINSTER FULLER, the person you ARE NOT!
As for your arguement, the greying of the reality that you have free will, just not the power to enforce all of your choices, leaves it well open to the dicovery of exactly what is, and is not, within the scope of your free will. All I did was to state the parameters of that, you, seem to want to obfuscate the reality with verbosity bordering upon sillyness as to attempt to make yourself look smart, or intelligent, or something more then what you really are.
That you call it 'stagnant polarization' tells me you know little of the actual structure of the universe, nevermind that you keep mentioning 'Quantum mechanics' (remember now, YOU did not invent that either!) but I've seen none of it refered to in your writing, no fermions, mesons, baryons, virtual particle explainations, no referancing to anything other then you are bright enough to pull it down off of the net and parrot it. Tell me, can you take any of it farther then has already been done by people smarter then you???!
Find out the truth about yourself first, then talk to me.
Tan Q, for dee time http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/tongue.gif
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The only Buckminster Fuller that I know of is the guy who designed the geodesic dome that was the American pavillion that I visited at Expo 67 in Montreal.
The person herein, who presents themselves under his name, is denigrating, and defiling the life time of work that the real Buckminster Fuller did. His presentation of a character of verbal banalities, and asinine tripe, that is apparently supposed to pass for the real persons abilities/capacities for intelligent thought, does little more then reveal that characters real personna.
As for my use of humor in referance to Batman, as Robin really is my name, I have had to endure the abuses of that name, and have, by God's Grace, developed a sense of humor about it. That B.F. (I will not assist in the denigration of a good mans name!)brings forth from his mind that it also can stand for 'Bowel Movement', as opposed to all of the other possibilities, "Bold man, Brave man, Big man. etc. etc. ". This is simply revealling of the mind of this character, B.F., showing both the substance, and environment, of his mind.
Since the mouth is the portal beneath this scatological mind, I could only surmise that B.F. must stand for the emination of such a positioned orifice, ergo, Bovine Flatulence would be the emission.
Just as a side notation B.F. You state that you mentioned Quantum "EVENTS", NOT quantum mechanics, but you reveal yourself once again, as all quantum events are as a result of quantum mechanics, you certainly must be an extremely blissful person, as you certainly have demonstrated why I can reach that conclusion http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
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No shatouska, I dont know this person.
Robin, I should not have stooped to your level,furthermore you do sound like a determinist, and I know from experience that there is no point in conversing with one because reguardless of vocabulary, or knowledge a determinists mind is closed and everything that a determinist thinks is founded only on beliefe.It is only flaw of character and need for socialasation that drives a determinist to conversation, for nothing which is said will convince them other than thier beliefs.
I would ask you not attack me any more for having chosen a loggin because I respect the work of Mr. Fuller, and so that shatouska might recognise me from another board. It is not as you claim I did not choose it so that I could pretend I was Bucky fuller, once again you are barking up the wrong tree.
Again, What I do know of quantum physics is not a great deal, I never said it was, so it makes little sense for you to berate me based on some personal beliefe on how you think I percieve or intend orthers to percieve me.
I wonder how long it will be before you begin attacking the others on the board based on your broad sweeping beliefes?
Frankley I dont care what you think of me that is your buisness, and I rather prefer not to become envolved in it. However, you have still failed to adress the argument at hand, the one I posed.
I maintain that free will is not the case, and that neither is not free will (in total) the case, if you can not stretch your mind to understand this long enough to address the issue, and stop playing your clumsey game of infered ad homonem, I see no reason to converse with you further.
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At least I believe in something.
As for stooping, well, the name "Chaci" comes to mind, but not from my mind.
No Shatoushka, I do not know this person either, not from the proverbial 'hole in the wall', but I can tell some things about people, as from the expression, "When you speak to me, you walk me down the cooridoors of your mind"
..."Those who believe in nothing, find exactly that!"
As for free will, I do believe that we have free will, just that that is parameterised and that is what you discover on the road of life, you have NOT the power to enforce your choices. You can take a deep breath, or hyperventilate if you so chose, but you cannot stop breathing!
As for 'determinist' (again with the labels)
belief can only be founded in the most open of minds, for only there does it gain the strength in it's repetatively tested foundation. That is, in the end, what makes it so strong. My mind is as open to new thoughts as could be, just that I do not encounter very many people with any that are actually new. New to them maybe, but as old as the universe to this child....as in child-like, not childish!
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But you do not know wither it comes or where to it goes? And you do not know what it truley is, and if you say you do I will ask you to prove it to me and you will not be able.
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As for stooping, well, the name "Chaci" comes to mind, but not from my mind.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Chachi was a character on the sindicated telivision show happy days and later in his own series "Joni Loves Chachi" he was Fonzi (that is aurthor fonzareli's younger brother)
so if you are Chachi, it means I am aware that you are brother to fonzi....hmmm Fonzi, there is another poster on another board whos login has always reminded me of that name, it is of course just blind association. You should be happy I called you chachi I could have called you after some less well known tv character like may be Captain KANGEROO.If you want I could call you CaptainK, I sense it would still be verry applicable.
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No Shatoushka, I do not know this person either, not from the proverbial 'hole in the wall', but I can tell some things about people, as from the expression, "When you speak to me, you walk me down the cooridoors of your mind" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You see this is exactly what I have been saying, you do not put interpretation aside and and except what is, you see no communal dialog, you see only the cooridoors of your own mind. You must not know that you can never walk the cooridoors of anyone elses mind, you
can only theorise and test as any good scientist does, the universe which is each individual mind is no more or less vast then the physical one and as science has established you can never be totaly certain.
What kind of honest thinker aproaches the world with an assumption instead of an experiment? The kind who learns by learning that he is wrong perhapse? Does this then mean all others are wrong? I suspect it does oh determinist Cachi. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gifFurthermore, if you agree that you can never truley walk the cooridoors of mine or any one elses mind, you must then ask who's mental cooridoors it is through which you walk. Perhapse your own?
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Ha ha!! for once you are right! They do, and it is far better to believe in nothing and so to find nothing which always leads to somthing then it will ever be to go on believing in somthing your whole life and and because you can never make use of it due to your lack of understanding of to be passed by by those who started out believing in nothing!
Let me say this, who is in the better position?
He who believes in nothing and finds nothing, and when he does so understands the nature of all other things, and no other things, or he who believes in somthing and so finds himself with less and less untill behumbled at the end of his life finds himself with nothing.
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As for free will, I do believe that we have free will, just that that is parameterised and that is what you discover on the road of life, you have NOT the power to enforce your choices. You can take a deep breath, or hyperventilate if you so chose, but you cannot stop breathing!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You most certainly can, but it's a life long pursuite. Really this just makes no sense at all, people make themselves stop breathing all the time. I do see what your saying here and to a small degree I agree, but your analagy is terrible none the less.
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As for 'determinist' (again with the labels)
belief can only be founded in the most open of minds, for only there does it gain the strength in it's repetatively tested foundation. That is, in the end, what makes it so strong. My mind is as open to new thoughts as could be, just that I do not encounter very many people with any that are actually new. New to them maybe, but as old as the universe to this child....as in child-like, not childish!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you believe stubbornly in a given beliefe, and you will not budge on it, but at the same time you say you are open minded, you are what is known as a hypocrit. since you say I am open minded, but it is only true in the sense in which you have excepted somthing which can not be founded, and refuse to except any other alternative, in this case your open minded ness becomes a sort of one trick pony,
like a fourth of july fire work that goes off once and is then totaly spent, and impotent.
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oh please refrain from using KANGAROO as a derrogatory remark...i do so love them.
other than that...don't mind me...
*sneaks off... headed to the bleechers*
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well....you were kinda close. in my world, its not kangaroos...but those who walk on stilts.
(its much more amusing that way) http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
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